NAC WAVE 4 TO IVI
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Eh bien, grand homme, tu peux m'envoyer ton boite mail ou ton whatssap pour organiser le temps de faire l'activation
j'ai déja l'interphase diagbox merce beaucoup
I'm aware of this VLUD project, but since it was a proof of concept and hadn't been updated in three years, I thought it wouldn't work. I'll try it.
Je connais ce projet VLUD, mais comme il s'agissait d'une preuve de concept et qu'il n'avait pas été mis à jour depuis trois ans, je pensais que ça ne marcherait pas. Je vais essayer.
bsrf.pdf
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BSRF MODULE MODIFICATION FOR USE WITH EXTERNAL ANTENNAS.
For those trying to implement an IVI system, when purchasing components, there are two versions of BSRF that I know of: one with integrated shark fin antennas, which is the most common, and the other with external antennas, which is typically used in vans and is harder to find.
If you only have access to the first type, I'll show you how to modify it so you can use external antennas and get better reception than if you hide the module inside the vehicle, as seen in some published videos.
In my project, I focus on the FM, DAB, and GPS antennas and remove the LTE antennas, but if you want to keep them, you can follow the same process.
The external antennas used for FM and DAB are passive because the unit does not provide power for other types of antennas. If we wanted to use an amplified antenna, we would have to use the gray FAKRA connector on the side of the unit. For the GPS antenna, we can use any common antenna or our vehicle's own if it was already integrated. The process, as shown in the steps in the attached PDF, is very simple and does not require disassembling the electronics of the BSRF unit. When attaching the FAKRA connectors, we will have to use our imagination to adapt them to our needs.
MODIFICATION DU MODULE BSRF POUR UTILISATION AVEC DES ANTENNES EXTERNES.
Pour ceux qui souhaitent mettre en œuvre un système IVI, lors de l'achat de composants, je connais deux versions de BSRF : l'une avec antennes aileron de requin intégrées, la plus courante, et l'autre avec antennes externes, généralement utilisée dans les fourgonnettes et plus difficile à trouver.
Si vous n'avez accès qu'au premier type, je vais vous montrer comment le modifier pour utiliser des antennes externes et obtenir une meilleure réception qu'en cachant le module à l'intérieur du véhicule, comme le montrent certaines vidéos publiées.
Dans mon projet, je me concentre sur les antennes FM, DAB et GPS et je supprime les antennes LTE. Si vous souhaitez les conserver, vous pouvez suivre la même procédure.
Les antennes externes utilisées pour la FM et le DAB sont passives, car l'unité n'alimente pas d'autres types d'antennes. Pour utiliser une antenne amplifiée, il faudrait utiliser le connecteur FAKRA gris situé sur le côté de l'unité. Pour l'antenne GPS, nous pouvons utiliser n'importe quelle antenne courante ou celle de notre véhicule si elle est déjà intégrée. La procédure, illustrée dans le PDF ci-joint, est très simple et ne nécessite pas de démonter l'électronique du module BSRF. Pour fixer les connecteurs FAKRA, il faudra faire preuve d'imagination pour les adapter à nos besoins.
Any information is appreciated. Thank you for your hard work and taking the time to explain things in here.
I have another question. Can a N.H.W unit from 308 P5 GT be used as replacement for NAC ? Or does it have to be A.H.W.
Do you know the differences between them?
Some chinese guy on facebook told me that the original focal amplifier (which nac unit uses) is not compatible with the IVI unit and we have to change the amplifier too. Is this true?
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After finishing the change from NAC to IVI, I decided to also change the new icockpit 3D. Plug and play. I just programmed it from gasoline to 100% electric.
I have a unit of each of them. As soon as I can, I'll post photos of the hardware and we'll see if there are any differences at this level. I've run tests with both types, and they work the same as long as they're as close as possible to the type of NAC unit your vehicle has, given the impossibility of changing calibrations. I mostly do these tests on Peugeot Rifters, and they've worked with the limitations already mentioned, such as changing brands, etc., without any problems. So far, I've tested Vauxhall and Peugeot units and have been able to adapt them almost 100%.
I haven't been able to verify the amplifier issue, but on IVIs with A2B, which are the ones that support an amplifier, there is a specific output for transmitting data to the amplifier, while on the NAC, there isn't. So, in principle, the Chinese guy is right, and you'd have to change the amplifier.
J'ai un exemplaire de chaque. Je publierai des photos du matériel dès que possible et nous verrons s'il y a des différences à ce niveau. J'ai effectué des tests avec les deux types, et ils fonctionnent de la même manière tant qu'ils sont aussi proches que possible du type d'unité NAC de votre véhicule, compte tenu de l'impossibilité de modifier les étalonnages. Je réalise principalement ces tests sur des Peugeot Rifter, et ils ont fonctionné sans problème malgré les limitations déjà mentionnées, comme le changement de marque. Jusqu'à présent, j'ai testé des unités Opel et Peugeot et j'ai réussi à les adapter presque à 100 %.
Je n'ai pas pu vérifier le problème d'amplificateur, mais sur les IVI avec A2B, qui prennent en charge un amplificateur, il y a une sortie spécifique pour transmettre les données à l'amplificateur, contrairement au NAC. Donc, en principe, le Chinois a raison, et il faudrait changer l'amplificateur.
Thank you. I appreciate the information. I do have one NHW unit pulled from a 308 P5 GT. Its a NHW IVI High Without A2B. 9851673080.
So this one is closer to the NAC that i have in terms of amplifier setup since w/out A2B , Focal amplifier has to get the signal from analog nac outputs, am i correct?
Bonjour tu vas bien je veux faire un rendez-vous avec un ami il a une peugeot 308 pour faire L'activation Caméra je veux organiser rendez-vous avec le temps comme tu Disponible
In theory, both are compatible like other models out there, but the electrical connections may not be the same. The only one I can recommend of the two because it's the one I'm familiar with is the one in image 2, Continental.
Do you know if there are BSRF Mid and BSRF High?
Or should they all be the same?
And do you know what the main connector for BSRF is called?
Sorry for all these questions, but I wanted to know something more before buying it, since that's all I need.
Or should they all be the same?
And do you know what the main connector for BSRF is called?
Sorry for all these questions, but I wanted to know something more before buying it, since that's all I need.
b16c21e077a16399b42022f5715ce3c53f9dc8a04cbdbade0ed3abef79fe5124.pdf
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Here you have all the information for the continental series.
4.1 Model Names
Variant
Description
Hardware Version
Software Version
BSRF-V1EUHIGH.0
Europe HIGH
D5.1
V15_1.15.1.21.10.30
BSRF-V1EUMID.0
Europe MID
D5.1
V15_1.15.1.21.10.30
BSRF-V1RUHIGH.0
Russia HIGH
D5.1
BSRF-V1TRHIGH.0
Turkey HIGH
D5.1
BSRF-V1CNHIGH.0
China HIGH
D5.1
V13_1.13.0.20.33.70
BSRF-V1JPHIGH.0
Japan HIGH
D5
V15_1.15.1.21.10.30
BSRF-V1RWHIGH.0
Rest of World HIGH
D5
V15_1.15.1.21.10.30
The listed variants Europe HIGH and Europe MID use the same:
- PCB
- Housing
- External connectors
- Shark fin antennas & internal antennas
The only difference is that the Europe MID variant doesn’t have an accelerometer
The only differences between the other variants are:
- NAD module (different band configurations)
- Country specific MFF2 SIM card profile or even specific SIM
- China, ROW and Japan variants without DAB
- Number of broadcast tuners
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More information about the RTBM mounted on the K9 and K0 vans.
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Unlock key DE6B supplied by VLUD
These units are compatible with Continental's BSRF, have the same connections, and allow you to use existing antennas when upgrading from NAC to IVI.
In my tests, they worked well on AHW and KHW units, but not as well on NHW units, although I haven't been able to determine why.
e1527dce579c3e4013752572510e9094d3d9361ba2948c55dc14099cfb2ce12a.pdf
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Unlock key DE6B supplied by VLUD
These units are compatible with Continental's BSRF, have the same connections, and allow you to use existing antennas when upgrading from NAC to IVI.
In my tests, they worked well on AHW and KHW units, but not as well on NHW units, although I haven't been able to determine why.
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Mais existe-t-il des différences concrètes entre les unités NHW et les autres ? Est-il possible d'installer un IVI R2, comme celui présent sur le 3008 et le Grandland sur la 308-Astra ?
Arduino with a sketch in VLUD bank mode, check the frequency of your CAN-bus shield and test different speeds, although it should work with 500kb. Use the high-speed CAN-bus connections in the image, pins 4 and 10, for the connection; the low-speed CAN line on pins 5 and 11 won't work.
Internal images of IVI NHW and AHW units
IVI AHW.pdf
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IVI NHW.pdf
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At the hardware level, the units I've examined and tested (all high-performance units without A2B, and NHW, AHW, and KHW) are exactly the same; the differences should only be found in the firmware.
The biggest problems adapting them have been with the NHW, which have issues with non-continental BSRFs, with adapting the FMUX buttons, and with the climate control.
On the other hand, the AHW and KHW units seem to be more focused on vehicles with BSI 2010 evo, and with them, it's easier to implement IVI in older vehicles. They work with all the BSRFs I've tested, adapt well to FMUX, and also work with older climate control systems. However, they don't usually work with edge screens like those found in the 2022 308 GT.
In conclusion, use a unit other than NHW and in some BSIs it will allow you to operate via the low speed CAN line pins 5 and 10 of the black connector and in other BSIs you will have to use a dual CAN adapter with VLUD sketches and connect it via the CAN line on pins 4 and 10 of the black IVI connector.
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Why do you think there are so many IVI software versions? For example, my NHW is stuck on 1.20.93.7, which is certainly not the latest.Why aren't updates released more frequently?
Changing the VIN number, the problem is that since it is not connected to any BSI it will be of no use to you, you would have to modify the Arduino sketch to emulate the VIN number and I cannot help you with that, my programming knowledge is null, this sketch worked well with the NACs that although they beeped all the other functions worked but with the IVI if the VIN number does not match it shows you the message you indicate.
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Does anyone have any information on how to activate the Edge display on the 2022 Peugeot 308 GT on an IVI with AHW firmware? I activate the display in zone 2102 of the IVI, but it still doesn't show the icons on the screen. If I do this on an IVI with NHW firmware, it works perfectly.
